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	<title>Comments on: Who&#8217;s #1 In The Class Of 2010?</title>
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		<title>By: Kent Melton</title>
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		<dc:creator>Kent Melton</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 11 Mar 2010 20:17:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Yes, they should investigate other options.  Especially if its this close!
So often a tie goes to the student who takes the fewest credits because the AP classes have a greater effect on their GPA.
Is this fair?  To me this only makes &quot;valedictorian&quot; a fallacious title.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yes, they should investigate other options.  Especially if its this close!<br />
So often a tie goes to the student who takes the fewest credits because the AP classes have a greater effect on their GPA.<br />
Is this fair?  To me this only makes &#8220;valedictorian&#8221; a fallacious title.</p>
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		<title>By: Brigitte Helm</title>
		<link>http://www.myveronanj.com/2010/03/10/vhs-and-its-valedictorians/comment-page-1/#comment-888</link>
		<dc:creator>Brigitte Helm</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 11 Mar 2010 19:08:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hank, I think you misunderstood me.  I agree with Teri only if there is a clear winner and VHS has clear standards as to what constitutes a valedictorian. If it is absolutely certain that one girl has earned valedictorian, and that VHS has specific guidelines for calculating valedictorian, then that girl should earn her title. 

However, I know firsthand how unfair the system can be.  I, unfortunately, also came up short, a hundredth of a point they said - though their math was fuzzy.  When I questioned their calculations they said they were sorry and that I should have taken a study hall!  

I wish that I had someone on my side to question my schools calculation of ranking.  And though I can&#039;t assume that this is the case with VHS, however, the fact that VHS seems so unsure themselves on how to calculate a winner I am wary.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hank, I think you misunderstood me.  I agree with Teri only if there is a clear winner and VHS has clear standards as to what constitutes a valedictorian. If it is absolutely certain that one girl has earned valedictorian, and that VHS has specific guidelines for calculating valedictorian, then that girl should earn her title. </p>
<p>However, I know firsthand how unfair the system can be.  I, unfortunately, also came up short, a hundredth of a point they said &#8211; though their math was fuzzy.  When I questioned their calculations they said they were sorry and that I should have taken a study hall!  </p>
<p>I wish that I had someone on my side to question my schools calculation of ranking.  And though I can&#8217;t assume that this is the case with VHS, however, the fact that VHS seems so unsure themselves on how to calculate a winner I am wary.</p>
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		<title>By: Hank Fralee</title>
		<link>http://www.myveronanj.com/2010/03/10/vhs-and-its-valedictorians/comment-page-1/#comment-886</link>
		<dc:creator>Hank Fralee</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 11 Mar 2010 17:01:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Teri/Brigitte: 

I think the difference is that while gymnastics and auto racing as specific sporting competitions that are narrowly defined, the recognition of our most accomplished students is not. And what the author is arguing is that perhaps we should rethink our calculus  if the distinctions are so minute. 

If we make it solely a numbers game [as has been the case] then we run the risk of separating students for ridiculously arbitrary differences and also potentially invite gamesmanship that loses site of the ultimate goal: validating/rewarding academic excellence and achievement. For instance, in my own high school class, the separation was so narrow between the top two students that one of the students [the ultimate valedictorian] was able to defer satisfying his PE requirement [for specious &#039;medical&#039; reasons] until his last semester [after the final results were already tabulated]. Not being a particularly athletic sort, he actually received a less than perfect grade which would&#039;ve decided the contest in the salutatorians favor.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Teri/Brigitte: </p>
<p>I think the difference is that while gymnastics and auto racing as specific sporting competitions that are narrowly defined, the recognition of our most accomplished students is not. And what the author is arguing is that perhaps we should rethink our calculus  if the distinctions are so minute. </p>
<p>If we make it solely a numbers game [as has been the case] then we run the risk of separating students for ridiculously arbitrary differences and also potentially invite gamesmanship that loses site of the ultimate goal: validating/rewarding academic excellence and achievement. For instance, in my own high school class, the separation was so narrow between the top two students that one of the students [the ultimate valedictorian] was able to defer satisfying his PE requirement [for specious 'medical' reasons] until his last semester [after the final results were already tabulated]. Not being a particularly athletic sort, he actually received a less than perfect grade which would&#8217;ve decided the contest in the salutatorians favor.</p>
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		<title>By: Herb Brenon</title>
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		<dc:creator>Herb Brenon</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 11 Mar 2010 16:31:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>If it is taking so long to calculate the true number one, something must be wrong.  Shouldn&#039;t it be clear cut?  I would love to see the math!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If it is taking so long to calculate the true number one, something must be wrong.  Shouldn&#8217;t it be clear cut?  I would love to see the math!</p>
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		<title>By: hooger158</title>
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		<dc:creator>hooger158</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 11 Mar 2010 16:29:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This is idiotic.  There is no standard in place because unlike gymnasts, racers or horses the two young women weren&#039;t competing on the same course.  They certainly had different classes, different teachers and were judged on different and arbitrary standards in those classes.  Maybe one teacher was more convinced by an essay because it was in line with her own analysis.  Maybe an art teacher thought a painting wasn&#039;t one&#039;s best work.  Who knows?  Given the inherent inaccuracy in the system (and GPAs are themselves a horrible statistical measure) then it&#039;s farcical to pretend that a few hundredths of a point means anything.  And to take away the title and the opportunities it can provide from Ms. Robertson is just plain cruel.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This is idiotic.  There is no standard in place because unlike gymnasts, racers or horses the two young women weren&#8217;t competing on the same course.  They certainly had different classes, different teachers and were judged on different and arbitrary standards in those classes.  Maybe one teacher was more convinced by an essay because it was in line with her own analysis.  Maybe an art teacher thought a painting wasn&#8217;t one&#8217;s best work.  Who knows?  Given the inherent inaccuracy in the system (and GPAs are themselves a horrible statistical measure) then it&#8217;s farcical to pretend that a few hundredths of a point means anything.  And to take away the title and the opportunities it can provide from Ms. Robertson is just plain cruel.</p>
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		<title>By: Maria HubertFriscia</title>
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		<dc:creator>Maria HubertFriscia</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 11 Mar 2010 15:54:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Verona should celebrate having two top students in the class of 2010. Where is the affective domain in all of the mathematical calculations? Many schools have shared valedictorians. Why not do the same now?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Verona should celebrate having two top students in the class of 2010. Where is the affective domain in all of the mathematical calculations? Many schools have shared valedictorians. Why not do the same now?</p>
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		<title>By: Tom Ostrowski</title>
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		<dc:creator>Tom Ostrowski</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 11 Mar 2010 13:30:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think they should both be declared equals....both women have demonstrated they deserve to be honored...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think they should both be declared equals&#8230;.both women have demonstrated they deserve to be honored&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Brigitte Helm</title>
		<link>http://www.myveronanj.com/2010/03/10/vhs-and-its-valedictorians/comment-page-1/#comment-880</link>
		<dc:creator>Brigitte Helm</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 11 Mar 2010 13:16:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Sadly, I agree with Teri.  If there is a standard in place then they should abide by it.  How it is calculated, I don&#039;t know - to the tenth, the hundredth, the thousandth? 
However, if it is so close, then I do think they should consider the number of AP courses taken, number of extra curricular activities, lack of study halls etc., etc.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sadly, I agree with Teri.  If there is a standard in place then they should abide by it.  How it is calculated, I don&#8217;t know &#8211; to the tenth, the hundredth, the thousandth?<br />
However, if it is so close, then I do think they should consider the number of AP courses taken, number of extra curricular activities, lack of study halls etc., etc.</p>
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		<title>By: Teri Rosen</title>
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		<dc:creator>Teri Rosen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 11 Mar 2010 04:18:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Gymnasts win a competition by a tenth of a point. Racers win races by seconds. Horses win by a nose.  Football games are won by a touchdown in the final minute. First Place is valued because it is first place. Should we eliminate competition, the grading system, hockey games? Allow the winner to have her day, the also ran have her glory of almost and let  both approach the future with pride and confidence of a job well done . Keep perspective and know that the whole beautiful world is out there just waiting to be explored and savored.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Gymnasts win a competition by a tenth of a point. Racers win races by seconds. Horses win by a nose.  Football games are won by a touchdown in the final minute. First Place is valued because it is first place. Should we eliminate competition, the grading system, hockey games? Allow the winner to have her day, the also ran have her glory of almost and let  both approach the future with pride and confidence of a job well done . Keep perspective and know that the whole beautiful world is out there just waiting to be explored and savored.</p>
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		<title>By: Anita Dellal</title>
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		<dc:creator>Anita Dellal</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 11 Mar 2010 03:51:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I am truly disappointed with the policy of Verona High School.  One hundredth of a point is so minute compared to the achievements and hard work of both girls.  Where is generosity?  Where is caring?  Why create bitterness when you can create sweetness.  The aim of education is not only to teach academics but to teach compassion and love for others. Let the Valedictorian Award be shared and let Verona High School show its pride in both young women.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I am truly disappointed with the policy of Verona High School.  One hundredth of a point is so minute compared to the achievements and hard work of both girls.  Where is generosity?  Where is caring?  Why create bitterness when you can create sweetness.  The aim of education is not only to teach academics but to teach compassion and love for others. Let the Valedictorian Award be shared and let Verona High School show its pride in both young women.</p>
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